trained on those college campuses and then move into the rest of society when it's at hospitals or law firms or in seminaries and bring that interfaith literacy and interfaith leadership to the rest of our society. we define interfaith cooperation very simply. it's building relationships between people who orient around religion differently, and some sector has to advance the knowledge base, has to model what good looks like. and college campuses are the place that we think we can make the biggest difference. >> so talk a little bit about this triangle. >> yeah. >> i think it's important for all of us to have this in our mind. >> so this is a chapter in the book called the science of interfaith cooperation. and one of the things that i think is -- as interfaith cooperation grows and, by the way, if i was in the private sector, i would say buy interfaith, right? [laughter] it's, i think, like human rights or like environmentalism, it's a field that's going to grow dramatically. if you read any newspaper, you're going to see a lot of blood between the black and the white, right? and ther